How can God be unimaginable?

If a student comes and asks the preacher “What is God?” and the preacher says, “God is Unimaginable”; then the student asks again “How God created this world?” and the preacher says, “The process of creation is unimaginable”; the student will think that the preacher does not know the answers for his questions and will leave the preacher. This is the practical problem in revealing the absolute truth. The preacher should say the answers in positive way and the answers should satisfy the logical faculty of the student. Now you should analyze the basis of such logical faculty of the student. The basis is the observation of this world containing all imaginable items only. Hence all his logic is based on the observation of the nature of imaginable items and the relationships between the imaginable items only. This means that the preacher should say that God is an imaginable item and the imaginable process of generation of the imaginable world from imaginable God is in imaginable way only. Every sentence of the preacher should be imaginable to the student and then only the student gets satisfied.

The introduction of the word “Unimaginable” by the preacher leads the student to think that the preacher is ignorant. Hence to satisfy the student and to solve this practical problem, the preacher has to make certain assumptions and should preach about God through hypothesis only and not through real theory.

The reality is that the unimaginable God created the world through unimaginable way.

But to satisfy the student the hypothesis introduced here is that God is pure awareness. Here the infinite ocean of pure awareness is an assumption created because there is no proof of such ocean of awareness anywhere because you can find only the infinite ocean of inert energy. The infinite ocean of awareness is created by the preacher and such ocean charged by God can be treated as God Himself like the live wire treated as current. Now the student is satisfied.

Similarly, the creation of world from God should be also done through the imaginable way answering all the objections through imaginable ways only. This makes again the creation of another assumption for the process of creating the world by God. The assumption here is that a second unimaginable item called as the power of God is created which is modified into the world. Since the power is negligible, the world is negligible and maintains the existence of single God or Brahman. It is like the dream of a person created by the modification of the mind and the mind is negligible compared to the materialistic person. In course of time to satisfy the logic of students, changes in the hypothesis are made by Ramanuja and Madhva who introduced the assumption of a separate material, which is modified as the world without any connection to God.

The hypothetical assumptions can be varied for the sake of preaching the truth to the students in order to satisfy their logic developed from the observation of the world containing only imaginable items. This does not mean that the theories are different.

There is only one real theory that both God and the link between God and world are unimaginable.

But the preaching requires complete elimination of the word unimaginable and the whole preaching should continue with the assumptions of imaginable items and imaginable relationships between those imaginable items only. In such case all the assumptions are not true at all in the absolute sense. In such case you need not misunderstand that the three Acharyas are differing from each other with different theories of truth. The same truth is explained in different ways with different created assumptions of hypothesis for the sake of understanding of various types of mentalities of the students which are always based on the constant observation of imaginable items only (Ekam Sat Viprah bahudha vadanti…..Veda).

The final truth is known to Anjaneya who did not like to preach the truth through assumptions and hence kept silent in preaching. He showed the essence of all the divine knowledge through action (Karma) only because Karma can only be real and fruitful. His recognition of contemporary human incarnation and practical service to Him is the essence of the message of Anjaneya. For those who cannot accept the human incarnation, Shankara preached the divine knowledge with several assumptions and the most powerful assumption is that the soul itself is God. Shankara preached atheists and this powerful assumption attracted them to come and at least here the subject. All the Acharayas followed this method of preaching by assumptions to various levels of students who are based on the logic of imaginable items only.

So the preacher should take it upon himself to assume the response of the student, and in doing so, tailor the answer so as to avoid the assumed response? The preacher cannot know how the student will respond to the truth of an unimaginable god. If ten students are lined up, all about to ask the preacher the same question, surely the response of one student (leaving the preacher) should not affect the preachers conveyance of (his opinion of) truth to the other nine students?



Or it might lead to the student having respect for the preacher. Should the preacher not communicate truth as he sees it? If not, then I wonder at how useful the preacher / student relationship really is. Only as equals, communicating without assumption based responses, can they grow.

The unimaginable God is beyond the four-dimensional model of space and time. You can imagine the dissolution of matter converting into energy filling the space. Subsequently you can imagine the disappearance of energy in the space and the result is final vacuum. But, even if you try for your lifetime, you can never imagine the disappearance of vacuum.

God being the generator of space is beyond space and therefore, can never be imagined. If you have to imagine God, the pre-requisite is the imagination of disappearance of space or vacuum. Of course space is a form of very fine energy and in this context the word energy used by Me can be taken as crude form of energy. The only knowledge about God is that He is beyond the knowledge (Yasyaamatam… Veda).

While preaching the Lord follows the psychology of receiver and speaks to His corresponding level only in a palatable way (Priyam) so that he will not run away on hearing a harsh truth (Satyam), which may correspond to higher level. But at the same time the Lord will not preach a lie (Amrutam) even if it is liked very much. At the same time he will introduce slightly higher level so that a little truth with little harshness is introduced. The psychology of the receiver which likes only palatable concepts is as important as the truth. If a lie which is highly palatable is spoken, the huge majority of followers will appear. But what is the use of such preaching? Because the receiver is not really benefited in long range (upper world). If the entire concept is reveled, it is so harsh that people will run away without even hearing it. Therefore, the middle gold path of Aristotle should be followed so that a minority of followers appears.

If the preacher shows some miracles, huge crowds will follow who will be interested in solving their problems by exploiting that super power. In that case the preacher may speak any nonsense, the followers will be clapping. The devotion of such followers is only artificial and such devotees are the prostitute devotees. The miracles are exhibited by the Lord spontaneously in the case of extreme necessity for the sake of a really deserving devotee. The miracle is expected to help the devotee in the spiritual path. The sage Udanka did not ask for the vision of Viswarupam. But still the Lord showed it and sage Udanka got its benefit permanently. The sage believed the human incarnation throughout his life. Arjuna could get only some temporary benefit by such vision and therefore the Lord did not show it by himself unless Arjuna requested for it. Duryodhana did not ask for it but Dhrutarashtra asked to see it. In the case of these two, there is no use at all and the vision did not change them. The miracle can not be a poof of the Lord because even the devotees either good or bad also show miracles.

The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible because the absolute God is unimaginable. The absolute God comes in human form to give you the experience of His existence, in absence of which, you may deny the very existence of the absolute God and may become atheist (Astityeva….Veda). The identification of the human form in which the absolute God exists is the knowledge of God (Brahma Jnanam or Brahma Vidya).

The experience of the existence of the absolute God does not reveal any trace of the nature of the absolute God and hence God is always unimaginable. The only information about the absolute God is that God exists. “Aum Tat Sat” means that God exists and no more information about God is available. The word Tat means that God is beyond your imagination. The word Aum denotes that God is the creator, ruler and destroyer of this world. These three adjectives indicate the works (Creation, rule and destruction) of God only and not the nature of the God. This is called as the information about the existence only (Sanmatra vada). God comes in human form, which is characterized by the awareness or chit.

The awareness is fully developed up to intelligence and therefore the human form is indicated and not birds and animals. Such human form (Chit) is not the information about God but it is the information about the medium selected by God to enter the world. Thus, the medium is only awareness (Chinmatra vada) and not the inert materials. The aim of Shankara is about the selection of the medium by the God to enter the world. The Advaita followers, who concluded that awareness itself is the absolute God, misunderstand this. God enters the world through human form for entertainment, since the very basic aim of the creation is only that according to Veda. Such entertainment gives Him continuous happiness (Ananda). Thus, the word Sat-Chit-Ananda denotes the absolute God entering the world for continuous entertainment through the human form.

Several statements of Veda clearly speak that God is completely unimaginable under any circumstances. Silence can only indicate God. Silence means that no word can be used to indicate God. In the creation every imaginable item has the specific name, which cannot be used for any other imaginable item. For example the word pot means only a particular object. The word cloth means another particular object. You cannot use one word for any other object. But God can enter any item of the creation. Therefore, the name of every item can be used to indicate God because there is no specific word for God, who is not at all a specific object. Even if God does not enter an item, the name of that item can be used to indicate God, because you are keeping that item as the representative of God. For example God never enters the inert planet like sun. But still Sun can represent God due to some similarities. God removes ignorance. Sun removes darkness. The lotus buds are opened by sun. The ignorant intelligence is also enlightened by God. Therefore, sun can represent God to some extent. Therefore, the word “sun” can also represent God.

Thus, in one extreme end no word can indicate God (Yato vachah-Veda). At another extreme end, the name of any item into which either God can enter or any item, which can represent God, can indicate God. All the prayers of God by thousand names (Shasra Nama) indicate God. When a word indicates God, it is the name of medium into which either God entered or which stands as representative God. This means you can experience God through a specific medium when God enters it. Alternatively you can also imagine the experience of existence of God through a representative item like sun. You can experience the existence of God through Lord Krishna because God entered and exists in the human body of Krishna. In case of sun you can imagine the existence of God through the properties of the sun. Thus, there is difference between the worship of human incarnation and worship of the representative item like sun, statue etc.

Veda says that you can worship sun as God, which means that sun is not directly God (Adityam Brahmaiti…Veda). There is difference between the direct worship of king and indirect worship of his photo. In both cases the king is pleased. But in the direct worship the king is extremely pleased because every bit of your service is experienced by king directly. When God enters the human body, God has not become the human body. God is in the human body. Therefore, the human body is not God. You can only experience God through human body. Therefore, by seeing the human body you have not seen God, but you have only experienced God through that human body. Therefore, God is invisible. Of course, a devotee can be satisfied by treating the human body as God and can feel satisfied that he has seen God. From this angle Veda says, “A blessed fellow has seen God” (Kaschit Dhirah…..).

Scientists have established the existence of permanently unimaginable God

You have two regions of unimaginable nature. One is the temporarily unimaginable region containing the deeper planes of world within the limits of the space and these are surely going to be analyzed in future by scientists. The other is the permanently unimaginable region, which exhibits the permanently unimaginable limits of space or God. Hence, scientists have established the existence of permanently unimaginable God. The unimaginable nature is the reason for wonder. Maya means wonder by its root word. Hence, we have temporary and permanent regions of Maya. Even the magic show, which creates wonder, is called as Maya, which is temporary since you can analyze it and know it after some time. But the miracle performed by the human form of the Lord can never be analyzed which is not magic and such divine miracle is a permanent Maya indicating the permanently unimaginable God in the human form. Therefore, the miracle of human incarnation and the unimaginable limits of space are one and the same in establishing the permanently unimaginable and hence permanently wonderful God.

Since there cannot be existence of two unimaginable items, there is no place for Maya and God together since both are permanently unimaginable. There can be several temporary unimaginable items in the world just like two items of a magic show. On realization the two items of the magic show give different imaginable technologies of performance of magic. But the realization of various permanently unimaginable miracles indicates only one unimaginable God. Therefore, in all the permanently unimaginable miracles, there is only one God as the basis, who is permanently unimaginable.

Maya needs a medium of imaginable nature to exhibit its unimaginable nature. The unimaginable limits of the Universe are exhibited by the imaginable Universe, which is composed by imaginable items. Similarly, the unimaginable God is exhibited by the imaginable human body, which performs the unimaginable miracles through imaginable actions and imaginable items.

For example, when the human incarnation moves its hand and produces sacred ash, the human form, hand, movement of hand and the final ash are imaginable items. With the help of these imaginable items, the generation of ash from space is exhibited as the permanently unimaginable miracle. Even the temporary Maya needs imaginable items in the magic show for exhibition.

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Anil Antony

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Unimaginable God and imaginable human form

The unimaginable God needs the imaginable human form as a medium for expressing Himself to His devotees. In the case of human incarnation of God also, you have only understood the existence of the unimaginable God and you have not imagined the nature of God as in the case of the limits of the Universe. You have only seen that the limits of space are beyond the sight and this does not mean that you have seen the limits of space. In all these examples, Maya (Unimaginable item) exists in the imaginable items to give a proof for its existence just like the unperceivable electricity exists in the perceivable metallic wire to give experience of its existence. The wire with electricity can be treated as the electricity itself and there is no other way than this to perceive the electricity. The electricity has to be treated as the wire containing electricity. But every wire is not electricity.

Therefore, the unimaginable Maya has to be treated as the imaginable world, which shows the unimaginable limits. This does not mean that every imaginable item in the world with definite limits is Maya. Therefore, this world can be treated as Maya (Mayamtu Prakrutim….Gita). Here the word Prakruti stands for the world with unimaginable limits and it does not stand for any imaginable item in the world with definite limits. Similarly, the person charged by God (human incarnation) can be treated as God but not every person. The world with unimaginable limits and human incarnation with unimaginable miracles can be treated as God (Viswam Vishnuh.., Vasudevah Sarvamiti…..) and this does not mean that the world or the human body of human incarnation itself is God (Avyaktam Vyaktimapannam…Gita).
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The link between God and World is unimaginable

God is unimaginable. The link between the soul and world with God is also unimaginable because a link between two imaginable items only becomes imaginable.

The actions of God are also unimaginable since the actions of imaginable items are only imaginable. The only imaginable region is about all the items of the world and relationships between those items and the dead boundary of this world (imaginable region) is space. In this imaginable region there may be some temporary unimaginable regions, which are not analyzed today but one day or other those regions will be analyzed by the science. The unimaginable region for an ignorant person may be simultaneously imaginable to a scholar like the technology of an electronic instrument. Of course, even today, there are certain unimaginable regions even for scholars in the deeper planes of the science of world. Such planes will be known to scholars (Scientists) after some time by the grace of God, because such planes are within the limits of the space. The scientist is misled at this precise point.

Some time back, he did not know certain deeper planes of the world. Now he succeeded in analyzing those unknown planes. Due to this, scientist becomes blind with ego. Based on this success, he feels that he will analyze the final truth of the unimaginable limits of infinite space (world) in future on some day. This is not correct. The reason for this is that the planes which were not known to him and which are now known to him are within the limits of space only. Still, there are more deeper planes which are not known as on today. In the case of these planes, I assure the success for the scientist because these planes are also within the limits of space. But he should know that on any day he cannot cross the dead limits of space and God is beyond such space.

Since God is the generator of space (Atmana Akashah..Veda), we can touch the edge of God only in the unimaginable limits of the space. We can say that once we have touched the limits of space we have touched God.

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Unimaginable limits of space are God

Let Me even say that the unimaginable limits of space are God. The scientist agrees the existence of these unimaginable limits of space and therefore the scientists is agreeing to the existence of God. Even the common man is experiencing the existence of these unimaginable limits of space by seeing the space with his naked eyes. The scientists see the space through the telescope and arrive at the same conclusion. The human intelligence cannot cross the four-dimensional space-time model at any cost on any day. The beginning and the end of the space (limits of boundary) are always untouchable and unimaginable for the intelligence of even top most scientists.

If he crosses the limits of this space, certainly he can touch (Know) God who is beyond the space or exists in the limits of space. The unlimited space stands forever reminding the scientist regarding this eternal truth. Thus, the Universe is visible to all human beings in all times exhibiting the unimaginable item through its unimaginable limits. This Universe is a practical proof and the clear miracle of God available to all to declare this basic concept for every human being on this earth. Nobody needs the demonstration of any miracle other than this to indicate the unimaginable God. The miracles are not available to all in all times. Even if some miracle is demonstrated, people may conclude it as illusion or coincidence of events. But in this demonstrated example of unimaginable limits of space, there is no such controversy. Moreover, in this miracle there is no hope to disprove the unimaginable limits of space in future even according to the opinion of scientists.

There cannot be two or more than two unimaginable items. Hence, the unimaginable limits of the Universe are showing only one unimaginable God directly to every human being. Since, you do not perceive the limits of the Universe, you have not perceived God. The existence of unperceivable limits establishes the unimaginable limits. The Universe is exhibiting its unperceivable and unimaginable limits. This means that you have not seen these limits. Hence, you have not seen the unimaginable limits, which are God.

But the existence of unimaginable and unperceivable limits is exhibited. This means that the unperceivable and unimaginable God exists and His existence is clearly exhibited. This Universe itself exhibits the existence of such God. From this, the conclusion is that you have understood only the existence of unperceivable and unimaginable God but this does not mean that you have seen or imagined God. Veda says “Asteetyeva Upalabdhavyah” which means that you can know only the existence of the unknowable God. Veda says that God is unperceivable and unimaginable (Na Chakshusha…, Yasyaamatam…..). Gita also confirms that God is unimaginable (Mamtuveda Nakaschana…).

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Any item of the world can be analyzed by science thoroughly-Statue do not contain God

Science is the absolute master as far as the world within its limits is concerned. Any item of the world can be analyzed by science thoroughly and the report of science is final. This is a great advantage to protect the correct spiritual knowledge from exploitations. Ignorant and selfish scholars exploit by misleading us in making us believe that certain worldly items are God directly. Awareness (Soul) is such best exploitation. Here comes science to rescue us from such twists and exploitations. The priests exploit us by saying that a statue is God or contains God. The analysis by science clears such exploitation. At least in the case of the soul, God may enter some soul (human incarnation) to preach the knowledge. But such necessity does not exist in the case of a statue and hence God never enters any statue.

The only purpose of statue is to keep it as a representative model of God. The Advaita Scholars exploit themselves only to enjoy the sweet dream. The priests exploit others to enjoy the sweets offered by others! Of course, the soul can be treated as the greatest item among the imaginable items of the creation and hence the soul can be called as Brahman because the root meaning of the word Brahman is that which is greatest. The word Brahman is Yaugika, which means that it can be applied to any item if the root meaning is applicable (Yoga Rudha means the word fixed to a particular item only when its root meaning is applicable to many including that particular item). The word Brahman is also applied to mean the scripture Veda that is greatest among all the scriptures (since Veda is protected by recitation from generation to generation without any deletions or introductions) as said in Gita (Brahmakshara Samudbhavam).

The word Brahman is applied to God also since He is greater than every thing in the universe and hence the greatest. You can meditate upon yourself separating from the body and get temporary relief from stress, which is like the first aid to injury. Like this the word Brahman is not Yoga Rudha and is not fixed in God only. The ignorance of this concept misleads you to think that the soul is God when it is said that the soul is Brahman (Ayamaatmaa Brahma…Veda). This means that a particular soul like Krishna, Adi Shankara etc., is God if you take the word Brahman to mean God. If you take the word Brahman to mean a greatest item in any category, this means that the soul is greatest in the universe. This may also be giving the metaphor for soul and God.

You can keep the statue to represent God as a model (Pratika) in the beginning. Veda says that you can worship the inert globe of Sun as representative model for God but immediately says that Sun is not God, Sun fears for God and God is not in inert object (Adityam Brahmeti…., Nedam tat…., Bhishodeti….,Natasya Pratima…). The tradition of Advaita and the tradition of worship of inert objects as models for God are good as long as they are limited to their specified levels and should not be over extended for exploitation of self and other selves.

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Anil Antony

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God does not exists in any imaginable item except Human Incarnation

The Maya in the form of permanently unimaginable miracles is seen in an imaginable item of the world with definite limits like a particular human being called as human incarnation and it is not in every human being. The Maya (Power of God) is also in the unimaginable limits of the Universe but not in any item of the Universe except the human incarnation. Thus, you see the evidence of Maya, which is a proof for the existence of the God in the limited human incarnation and in the unlimited boundary of the Universe.

Krishna ( a past human incarnation) as finite human incarnation and His cosmic vision with infinite limits simultaneously stand for this concept. The exhibition of the Universe with unperceivable and hence unimaginable limits is the only aim of the Lord in showing the cosmic vision to Arjuna (a devotee of God) (Nantosti…Gita). Such exhibition indicates the unimaginable nature in the core of Krishna also simultaneously. Thus both the vision of infinite cosmos and the vision of unimaginable nature through the miracles in the human incarnation together prove that God is unimaginable in the limits as well as in the core. This vision concludes that the unimaginable limits of the Universe and the unimaginable nature of the human incarnation simultaneously. This vision gives simultaneous conclusion also that any item in the Universe except the human incarnation is imaginable and hence does not indicate the existence of God in any imaginable item except the human incarnation.

The final conclusion of cosmic vision is that unimaginable God exists beyond (the limits of) the Universe and God also exists in the human incarnation.

God in this human body of this Datta Swami gave this cosmic vision to two devotees (Ajay and Sitamma) simultaneously during a divine discourse on the day of Gurupurnima and asked both of them to explain their experience, who were keeping silent in a gathering of devotees. The identification of those two devotees only from the gathering of several devotees who were also silently hearing the discourse is also miraculous apart from giving such vision. The cosmic vision (Vishwarupam) was given during the discourse of Gita by Krishna. Hence, the miracles associated with miraculous divine knowledge alone can be the indication of God (Yadyat Vibhutimat Sattvam…Gita). Otherwise demons also perform miracles and hence miracles alone cannot give the address of God. Of course, the miracles exhibited even by demons indicate the unimaginable God but do not give the address of God in the demon. Since miracles serve their original purpose of indicating the existence of unimaginable God, God grants miracles even to demons. This satisfies the desire of demons and also the publicity of the existence of unimaginable God in the world simultaneously.

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Anil Antony

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Anil, you've got to be more conservative with your thread creation. For example, within a span of 2 minutes, you created 5 new separate threads, all over the same theme that God is unimaginable. There's no reason why you can't keep the discussion on one thread instead of spreading it out over five.

Yes, better to post one a day than 20 in one day. I say give him a limit to the amount of new threads he can make a day Lucid. He's just spamming the forum with that many.

While I respect your beliefs dattaswami, that doesnt mean you can make 50 freaking topics about the same thing.

LOL!!!!

I agree to many posts by the same person makes the topic boring...