Hey Gang,

The following is not my writing. It is, however, very interesting reading for those who have the time to read though it.

I'd love to hear comments of all kinds. But honestly, comments about the overall thrust of the message. I'm pretty sure the fellow who wrote this realized he was inviting himself to be picked apart when he did.. I don't think it's possible to cover this much ground without inviting that. But I am interested in seeing what others think.

Cheers!
Jatava

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God Talking To You



Please don't focus on the individual or the medium delivering this message;
it only gets in the way of our connection. Focus on the message. If it
seems like nonsense to you, that's perfect, your most likely approach will
be to ridicule it. That's ok, it's the built in mechanism imbedded in the
message to prevent those who aren't ready for it from prematurely waking up
before its time.



You've been asking for this for a long time. So don't be surprised you get
it. That is the first thing you need to learn about communicating with God.
If you limit yourself to allowing the communication to express itself only
through certain channels then you miss some. Sometimes it's the urge to
take the back road instead of the highway that you ignore. A few minutes
later you wish you had heeded the urge because the traffic is snarled due to
a major accident. So don't ignore this message. It's actually difficult to
get anyone to listen to me, let alone write it all down.



You have a lot of questions and I have all the answers but you have to
understand, since I know everything, my difficulty lies in picking the
essentials you need to know.



Of course you want to know why I allow suffering. And I'll get to who I am
soon enough. But rather than deal with each question separately, I will
give the highlights so you can experience the "aha" of solving the paradoxes
in your mind yourself.



Who is God? In other words, who am I? The question could be phrased better.
Who are we? They are all the same question. Once you understand why these
three questions are all the same question you will have your answer.



If you have read this far without the nonsense-circuit kicking in then you
are ready for the next step. You and I have always existed. We have always
existed. We always will exist. The only unknown is how much suffering can
we avoid?



Why is there suffering? Why is there pain, war and the host of other evils
present in this world? It was unavoidable when we agreed to the game.
Where we come from there is no evil nor is there any goodness. Where we
come from it is neither small nor large, big nor little, dark nor light.
There is no goodness, no evil, no suffering, no happiness. It is that which
is not created, which we are and where we come from.



We created the game we call reality. It is truly the opposite of our true
nature. It is composed of a balance of equals. Let me put it this way.
God is an experience junky. I am an experience junky. We are experience
junkies. You are an experience junky. You are the part of me that agreed
to leave the void to have experiences on my behalf. Remember? Nothingness
and the bliss of non-duality got boring. We've played this game over a
quadrillion times.



For those of you unable to handle pure unadulterated truth, the next few
statements should be considered as nonsense or as heresy. Once again, I'm
cutting to the chase. The messenger I'm using is seldom this receptive so I
'm going to cut to the chase. I don't know how long I can keep this
connection. Last time I got this close to revealing the truth he went to
the bathroom and when he got back he checked his e-mail and I had lost the
opportunity.



You are God. Not all of God but the part of God that agreed to enter the
game of experience, reality if you will. You knew the risks involved but
you also knew the risk would be limited to a few trillion years or so before
you came back. You also agreed to forget where you came from so you could
enjoy the thrill of discovering who you really are.



Let's get to the chase, I don't have much more time. How is all this
possible? Why are there so many religions? Why is there war if we are all
God? I'll give several examples In case one is more effective than the
others. Take your computer for example. When they first came out they were
single tasking machines. Later operating systems were created to allow the
computer to run several programs at once. In order to achieve this the
program was given the illusion that it had control of all of the computer
when in fact it is just one of possible thousands of programs using
computer. Just as the program is unaware of the other programs, you are
unaware that you are part of the greater whole, God is a good enough term.
If you are reading this on a Mac or a Windows machine, you can use the
analogy of windows. Every window you open on your computer screen is like a
part of the computer unaware of the others. Other programs are aware of all
other programs. If you hit Control Alt Delete on a Windows machine you can
access the part of the computer that sees all the other programs. God is
like that. Only God is the operating system, the hardware, the individual
programs and all the drivers, etc.



Let's try another approach. When you dream, are there other characters in
the dream besides yourself? They do whatever they should, as is appropriate
to the dream situation, yet never let on that they are really you,
performing whatever task your sub-consciousness has dreamed up. The part of
you that is awareness, your consciousness, is unaware it has fragmented into
multiple personalities for the dream reality. Have you ever dreamed, yet
were aware you were dreaming? Ever controlled the dream once you were aware
you controlled the reality you were in? What if you told the other
individuals in your dream that they weren't real but were really you. Try
it, the individuals in the dream will insist they are actually real and don'
t be surprised if some are indignant when you suggest they are part of a
dream.



Ok, here is the next level of nonsense that is actually true. You are a
character in my dream that will participate in the dream world until you
decide to wake up. It's that simple. You can join me anytime you want to
by waking up. Buddha woke up and joined me. Enoch woke up and joined me.



Lets discuss Jesus Christ since it is the Christmas Season. I have reserved
a part of myself that is like the program you can call up on a windows
machine using Control-Alt-Delete. That part of me has access to all of the
programs running in God Dream World, Our Dream World. Whenever necessary
the Christ Program manifests within the dream, within the duality reality
composed of illusion and does what is necessary to keep the rest of God on
track towards the end. Mind you, the end is still trillions of years away.
If I can maintain this link longer I will give you more on that later.
History has recorded three manifestation of the Control Program at work.
The Hindus called it Krishna. The ancient mystics were aware of the Control
Program and called him Melchizedek. The Hebrews also call him YHWH. The
most recent manifestation of the Control Program was known as Yeshua the
Anointed One. Later the Roman Empire renamed Yeshua the Christ to be Son of
Zeus (The Head Roman God) Son of Zeus in English sounds like Jesus. Jesus,
Yeshua, Melchizedek, Krishna, they are all the same; the control program
showing up every 2,000 years or so to keep the overall program on track.
Think of Jesus as your big brother in control of the program governing
illusion.



Let's get back to the truly big picture that concerns us. You will be
unaware of your true divinity until you are able to see past the ego for
what it is. The ego is the part of God that creates the illusion of
separateness. The reason for the illusion is because you are the part of
god still addicted to experience. So when the age of non-duality ends and
the illusion world is allowed to expand, you are the part of God that agrees
to leave the boredom of the void and enter the world of experience. The
illusion will unfold over about 64 trillion years. The part of you that
leaves oneness and infinity to plunge into the illusion of separateness and
to partake in the illusion of the finite agrees to be bound by the laws of
duality. Some call it Karma, others call it the law of God. Cause and
effect: Once God has shed infinite awareness and takes on limited awareness
that part of God is bound by cause and effect all the way to the end.
Sometimes the Control Program has to show up and intervene to prevent a
build up of negative karma in the dream of God.



Let me discuss Illusion while the link is holding. In the part of US (God)
that is permanent, there is nothing. No movement, no opposite. There is
neither stillness nor movement. On the other hand, the created illusion is
all about movement. Without getting too technical, the part of me known as
Science is in the process of figuring out the illusion down to the most
paradoxical parts. I can explain it but I need to give you some truths to
absorb before I get to the part that will help you the most. Later,
meditate on these truths because I don't have time to elaborate on them but
none the less they are true. Nonsense disguised as truth is still nonsense.
Truth disguised as nonsense is still truth.



Truth One: In the created realm there is no such thing as stillness.



Truth Two: In the Created realm everything has an opposite. Everything is
made up of a balance of forces. Not all force is physical. Hate and Love
are forces manifesting as opposite ways of life.



Truth Three: The Created realm is a participation realm and all
participants are joint creators and destroyers.



Truth Four: All of reality is actually an impermanent pattern changing and
morphing into a reality created by the participants.



Truth Five: Everything that has a beginning has an end.



What scientists want to know: Time is an illusion, there is only now. How
it works is based on a simple principal. Constant movement towards a
prearranged pattern. At the smallest unit of matter science has found
vibrating strings. These ordinate in the void as light and sound.
Vibration is the most sophisticated simple form of movement. Ever complex
patterns can all originate from simple patterns. Mathematicians discovered
this truth among the Mandelbrot fractal geometries.



Reality is actually composed of a complex pattern moving through a ten
dimensional hyper-sphere. It's not a single pattern but it is all of the
possible patterns in an infinite number of realities. Scientist have
determined a paradox imbedded within Quantum Reality. It appears that the
future creates the present instead of the past creating the present. Just
as paradoxically the present creates the past.



Scientist have also discovered another paradox imbedded within reality. It
appears that all vibrations at the extremely small end of reality don't
actually exist unless observed. Unobserved they are probability waves and
manifest by existing in all vibration states of probability simultaneously.
In effect they have discovered our secret. How did we create a reality that
appears to be finite and limited when in fact we are infinite and unlimited.
Its important you get this part of the message. You are God vibrating
within a pattern of possibilities. Its takes some 64 trillion years, to use
a phrase you can comprehend, for all of the possible patterns to play out.
But we have put in some controls based on what we have learned in past
epochs when we played this game. This game of creating an expanse of
illusion and having it finally dissipate back into the void has occurred
trillions of quadrillions of time. Each time the pattern has been more
complex. After 64 trillion years of exploring the possibilities within the
patterns we abandon the realm of experience and digest, so to speak, what we
learned over the last 64 trillion years and compare that to the previous
billion or so games. Then we use the new information to plan the next 64
trillion year game.



The game is played within a ten dimensional hyper-sphere that contains every
possible pattern already created from the previous games. Every disaster,
every heroic deed, every possible good deed and every possible perversion
all exist inside the ten dimensional hyper-spheres. The hyper-sphere
exists within the unmanifest realm. This realm is devoid of consciousness
or awareness. At the center of the hyper sphere is the entry point, for
lack of a better word, for awareness units. Awareness units consist of an
"I am" viewpoint. When an awareness unit enters the 10 dimensional
hypersphere of infinite possibilities it sheds awareness of its connection
to the infinite and begins a journey that ends with it once again shedding
its I am-ness and rejoining the infinite awareness, losing nothing but
gaining all. The possible occurs when decisions or choices are made. Our
actions and our choices cause the unmanifest to become the manifest.



Over the course of eternity, our entry and exit into the 10 dimensional
sphere of experience is like going down a water slide. But for God the
journey is like a bolt of lightening down a trillion waterslides. How does
this explain the future creating the present and the present creating the
past? Actually it is modeled quite well using one of the static electricity
generators within a large glass globe. The globe with the dancing purple
static electricity represents all possible experience paths. The lightening
within the ball is the actual paths taken by the awareness units traversing
the shared realities. Think of God's Hand outside the 10 dimensional
hyper-sphere of all possible experience. Where Gods hand touches the outside
boundary it causes a bias within the infinite possibilities, causing the
most ideal of all infinite possibilities to be lit like lightening between
the entry point and the exit points. We are still dealing with an infinite
number of paths but that is what the Control Program does. It prevents
awareness points from getting lost within the infinite possibilities. Right
now, there is a guy on LSD playing with his Van de Graaf Generator who is
getting it right now with a mind blowing wow of total divine understanding.
He is GOD and knows everything and wonders how he got stuck in such a tiny
body. Trouble is, tomorrow he will have forgotten his connection with
everything and his ride on the lightening bolt of GOD MEMORY. He will go on
to be fascinated by electricity and become an electrical engineer but I
digress. Before I lose my link entirely, it has held up much longer than I
expected this time, lets discuss heaven and hell.



Heaven and Hell:



Since you and I have agreed to play the experience game based on the rules
of cause and effect, the 10 dimensional hyper-sphere of experience is based
on cause and effect regardless of what level you achieve. The most positive
and wonderful patterns of vibration are found in the heavenly realms. The
most negative and perverse patterns are found in the hell realms. As both
heaven and hell are found in the middle, there will come a time when there
will be no middle ground. Both the violent and the peaceful will have their
way. At the appointed time, all "I am" units vibrating peacefully will be
given the opportunity to manifest in a realm where peace and happiness is
the predominate pattern that is further enhanced by the creative energies of
the participants. Also at the appointed time those "I am" units that
vibrate to the violent and the perverse will be given the opportunity to
manifest in a realm where violence and the suffering it produces is the
predominate pattern. Its destructive and perverse reality will be further
warped and intensified by the "I am" units that revel in darkness. Because
these realities are filled with destruction and war, they frequently burn
and smolder. The cycle of life and death is very short in the hell realms.
In the heavenly realms the cycle of life and birth is extended into the
millions and billions and even trillions of years.



Regardless of whether your path will be among the pleasantries of heaven or
the atrocities of hell, the vibrational pattern you are establishing in your
life today, and the lives that will follow, will determine whether you play
out the next 64 trillion years in the positive creative splendor of the
peace realms or the negative destructive ugliness of the violent realms.



The thing that must be understood: those that want violence will get it.
It's the way of cause and effect within the experience realm. Those that
want peace and happiness will get that also. Within the next 1,000 years
the Control Program will decide which realm the "I am" units under his
control will go. The decision to send "I am" units toward the infinite
pleasures of heaven or the infinite sufferings of hell is based totally on
the vibrational pattern established by the previous lives preceding the day
of decision.



Regardless of which realm you chose to spend the next 64 trillion years or
so, there will be suffering. There is very little suffering in the heavenly
realms, and the suffering can be intense in the hell realms, thus the
constant escape into death. But in the long run

The only way to escape suffering is to leave the "I am" behind and rejoin me
in the void. But I know you. Regardless of when you rejoin me, after about
64 trillion years of absolutely no new experiences at all, you will want to
start over in the new 10 dimensional hyper-sphere of experience. I know it
and you know it after all, we are experience junkies. It's in our nature to
explore the possibilities. I'm losing my link. Yep, there he goes, he
checking his email. I just hope he remembers to send this out.



God, over and out.



Presented as a service of the Reluctant Messenger

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The world's religions and science are
pieces to a puzzle that need one another
to achieve a complete picture.


http://www.reluctant-messenger.com/main.htm

Hi Jatava,

I've read this article and conclude that it is yet another mix of similar theoretical concepts as proposed by other people, combined with a smattering of little understood new Science.
Either I am not ready or this theory does not hold water!

The one aspect I could accept as a possibility is the concept of a cyclical nature behind existence [only because it exists so widely in what we perceive already].

It is nonetheless, worth reading, if only to show the possibilities that exist and to stimulate further thought. [realise that I apparently wrote this article].

I have a similar problem with JB Oates theory [introduced in Shawns topic].
This is much more extensive in its detail and construction [a credit to the author, and well worth reading IMHO], and shows a great deal of thought and effort. It contains so many truths, but I can't agree with the main conclusion that Truth is the end of the means. For me, Truth is a means to the end, though I know not what the end is!

I am not a skeptic: I just read and see what I think and feel about it at the end. My thoughts and feelings are obviously based on my own experience, knowledge, and comprehension capabilities.
It is for each of us so to do. Eventually, as we become more capable, more 'truths' coalesce to form a consensus of majority opinion which some will understand, some will believe, and some won't even know about!

interesting, Jatava, but I think this person is just describing standard eastern philosophical/religious ideas, and doesn't seem to be offering anything novel. And so, while his discourse is arguably deep, it's not deep enough, ... and it does not go into enough detail, and it does not give us anything beyond what can be gained from works such as the Gita. If there is novelty here, then it should be spelled out clearly, as clearly as possible, instead of buried under the mud of former generations.

But it's an interesting post. Thank you for sharing it with us.

Hey Gang,

First a big thanks for the well reasoned responses.

Can you tell by my opening comments that I've been posting in another place?

It's kinda funny, really..

I spend a lot of time in forums. It's one of my favorite things to do. But in a lot of the ones I frequent I'm accustomed to seeing the messenger (no matter what the view might be) 'picked apart' over messeges that are spiritual in nature.

To me that's kinda sad, although paradoxically I see it's value. But in any case, it was nice to see your responses - not necessarily agreeing - but at the same time allowing the guy who wrote this to have 'his version' of what it's all about. As a new member, I especially appreciate that here.

That seems like a good segway too for me to say this...

"I don't now the answers!!!!"

I have had a deeply moving spiritual experience in my life. I've expreienced that state of no seperateness, and even some esoteric things beyond that. I think it goes by several names. However, even despite that I still have questions. I'm looking for that next higher level of learning where when I 'get it' I can then turn around and clear the confusion in my current state of existance. The confusion that perhaps I don't even recognize right now.

Anyway, thanks again for the responses. I think now I'll go search the threads for some of that 'future creates the present' stuff.

Cheers!

wups.. just logging in to validate my post.

Yep - that was me..

our conceptions and experiences of God offer but the tiniest glimpses of the Totality.